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Attached is the slashdot digest.
It seems to be plain text.

Jon.

On Wednesday 13 November 2002 12:20, you wrote:
> 1) You cannot look up your trust level at present. They are working on this
> however.
>
> 2) I don't think it would be wise for razor to even tell you which users
> reported a piece as spam, much less what their confidence is. That sounds
> WAY too easy to abuse by spammers to me. (ie: I'm a spammer, let me work on
> driving down the confidence values of those who report me by submitting
> nonspam to their trolls and revoke it)
>
> 3) you should be able to see what the cf score for a given email is with
> razor's debug output. I know running SA in debug mode causes razor to spew
> a ton of debug output, including the scores for each part of the message
> and what cf values they had.
>
> and as a side question, is the slashdot digest a multi-part mime message?
> By default razor calls it spam if any mime part matches. This is currently
> causing problems because a lot of spam and nonspam out there tends to
> contain an empty mime block. I've personally made some changes to my
> razor-agent.conf to try to prevent some false alarms, at the expense of
> missing some spam:
>
> #flag only if all parts listed
> logic_method           = 5
> #require a bit more than "average" confidence.
> min_cf                 = ac + 10
>
> This seems to have quelled some false alarm problems I was having, but also
> makes the razor hit-rate somewhat lower.
>
> At 09:52 AM 11/13/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >I just installed razor2, and one of the first message i
> >receive as "spam" is the daily slashdot digest.
> >I revoked this message, but it still shows up as spam.
> >Is there a way to see what my trust level is, what the
> >confidence level of a given piece of spam is, and what
> >the trust levels are of anyone who reported the given
> >"spam''.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Jon.

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